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	<title>Comments on: Pulpits, Pews &amp; One-Eyed Jacks:Saruman, Denethor &amp; ?</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 02:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul:

I started to write a second, lengthy comment but decided to make it a post instead.  See &lt;em&gt;Denethor and the Palant&#237;r&lt;/em&gt; for more information.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:</p>
<p>I started to write a second, lengthy comment but decided to make it a post instead.  See <em>Denethor and the Palant&iacute;r</em> for more information.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 16:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul:

It would appear so, but Tolkien says somewhere (again, I apologize for not being able to put my finger on the book) that Denethor&#039;s will - being so nearly pure N&#250;menorean - was too strong to be overthrown by Sauron; the same was true with Aragorn.  Still, Sauron deceived Denethor into despair by carefully selecting what he allowed the Ruling Steward to see in the palant&#237;r.

Similarly, Saruman would be too strong for Sauron to overthrow and corrupt.  If anything, Saruman was corrupted by studying the arts of the enemy too deeply - which may have been Tolkien&#039;s rebuke of C.S. Lewis&#039; &lt;em&gt;The Screwtape Letters&lt;/em&gt;, of which Tolkien strongly disapproved and believed to reflect the unprofitable (to JRRT) close friendship of Lewis with Charles Williams (whom Tolkien never liked very well).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:</p>
<p>It would appear so, but Tolkien says somewhere (again, I apologize for not being able to put my finger on the book) that Denethor&#8217;s will &#8211; being so nearly pure N&uacute;menorean &#8211; was too strong to be overthrown by Sauron; the same was true with Aragorn.  Still, Sauron deceived Denethor into despair by carefully selecting what he allowed the Ruling Steward to see in the palant&iacute;r.</p>
<p>Similarly, Saruman would be too strong for Sauron to overthrow and corrupt.  If anything, Saruman was corrupted by studying the arts of the enemy too deeply &#8211; which may have been Tolkien&#8217;s rebuke of C.S. Lewis&#8217; <em>The Screwtape Letters</em>, of which Tolkien strongly disapproved and believed to reflect the unprofitable (to JRRT) close friendship of Lewis with Charles Williams (whom Tolkien never liked very well).</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by!</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 15:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Both Denethor and Saruman, the two clear examples of OEJ&#039;s you give, were corrupted by Sauron following their use of palantirs. Is this significant, I wonder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Both Denethor and Saruman, the two clear examples of OEJ&#8217;s you give, were corrupted by Sauron following their use of palantirs. Is this significant, I wonder?</p>
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		<title>By: Milton Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milton Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 21:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding once again, Mike. Denether has always been one of the most fascinating characters in M-E. An aside: I was very disappointed with the portrayal of his death in the movie. In the book, Denether throws himself onto the pyre, but in the movie, Shadowfax kicks him into it. Substantial difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding once again, Mike. Denether has always been one of the most fascinating characters in M-E. An aside: I was very disappointed with the portrayal of his death in the movie. In the book, Denether throws himself onto the pyre, but in the movie, Shadowfax kicks him into it. Substantial difference.</p>
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